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Re: Summary of Changes (just to simplify for this combat)
well, i used the chart to create him, so any "wimpiness" would be due to the chart. it seemed that he was about the toughest of the 1st level outlaws available, and bounty can be a variable thing, based on what I have read, so maybe will not be all that much anyway. also have to remember that later on may be real tough outlaws with small bounties. we would have to make sure that the bounty hunter dealt the killing blow if we did your suggestion.
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Re: Summary of Changes (just to simplify for this combat)
went ahead and rolled for warrior priests ring, maybe early but will need eventually. got 3 6 4, failed.
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Re: Summary of Changes (just to simplify for this combat)
his initiative, by the chart, is 3
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15/May/2008, 8:37 am
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Re: Summary of Changes (just to simplify for this combat)
as far as the roll goes, he is wanted dead or alive, so either is OK in this case
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Re: Chat and Orders
I probably should have worded my question differently. Scarr needs to decide (by the time the outlaw reaches ZERO Wounds) whether he is bringing the outlaw in alive or dead, because it makes a difference in how his bounty is resolved (could be a higher bounty if he is brought in alive). Also, it makes a difference during game play. For instance, if Scarr decides to bring the outlaw in alive AND immediately takes him along, then Scarr doesn't get his special ability to act out of turn until he no longer has the outlaw with him.
The Event Deck simulator has an entry line for each monster's intitiative, but it doesn't show it on the simulated cards. 
Yes, it is time for the Ring of Jade. Too bad it didn't work though.
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Re: Chat and Orders
OK, doesn't really matter I suppose but the way I read it, after he is reduced to 0 wounds, I roll a die to see IF I can take him alive, this roll only fails on a 1. Also I am not sure that I actually GET the gold he is worth. It says that when my cumulative gold for bounties reaches or exceeds 1000 times my BL, I gain a point of reputation, perhaps that is all it is a measure of. I dont know, this guy has a lot of questions surrounding him. Maybe since he hasnt wounded the outlaw yet, nor has the outlaw wounded him, I should find a more straightforward character to play and just put him in Scarr's place, what do you think?
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Re: Chat and Orders
My understanding is that you will not know how much gold you get until after you get to a settlement and roll on the appropriate table concerning this particualr bounty/wanted poster/outlaw. lol Not even the Bounty Hunter gets gold for him until that time -- if I understand correctly. See the Bounty Table for my reasoning on this; also, the Outlaw Generation Table simply says "Roll for Gold" and under that column it says "Bounty", which I assume is therefore reference to the Bounty Table.
I am willing to keep slugging through the rules until we get everything worked out. The main trouble for me is that I have never had to handle this complex a warrior that has been created by someone other than me. I am sure that many of my creations are nearly as befuddling to other people, because I tend to get quite complicated. 
I think that the Bounty Hunter rules are really starting to come into focus for me. I am guessing that I am in a better position to get a handle on such rules seeing that I have been immersed in WHQ and the various characters and the creation of them for over two years now.
That being said, if you would prefer -- totally up to you -- you can certainly substitute another warrior for this one. I am actually looking forward to seeing how the Bounty Hunter and his many outlaws play out in the games, but either way you choose is fine by me.
Oh, and just in case you wonder, the Bounty Hunter rules stuff isn't really slowing me down much. If I wasn't delving into his rules I would likely be delving into some other rules or ceeating some advanced rules for another custom warrior OR creating some more board sections.... and etc.... This game is actually moving along a bit faster than most of the games here -- so far.
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Re: Chat and Orders
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Power Phase 3 (roll for Scarr = 6)
Event Phase 5
Elore's Blessing...
Scarr may decide when to act (first if he wants).
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Re: Chat and Orders
elore rolls a 4 for blessing, successful, gives scarr an extra attack, scarr waits hoping you can get the bats out of his way and maybe he can escape pinning and shoot at this guy a couple of times.
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Re: Chat and Orders
An extra attack in this case could be useful to Scarr while wielding his sword, but it would not affect his Repeating Crossbow, since it is limited to three shots in one turn (same as three attacks). The Repeating Crossbow hold three quarrels at a time.
You can switch to the +1 to hit blessing if you want, or pick another warrior....
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Re: Chat and Orders
Shur kills one bat (6 to hit, 9 for DRT = Heavy Blow = easy kill)(death-blow misses with a 2 to hit).
Dar quickly kills three bats in succession thrusting his Fist Spike through each in turn (To hits: 5, 4, 3 -- no damage rolls needed).
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Gold/Bounty Value for the Outlaws
If this were a multiplayer game, I think I would have already created a new topic just to handle the Outlaw and/or Bounty Hunter rules issues. If you think that could be helpful I am willing to create that topic. Eventually, I will try to consolidate all the conclusions and interpretations of the rules and incorporate them in whatever document(s) I create (or modify).
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Interesting it is... I do not find any base values for the Outlaws anywhere. Yet, the rules state that the bounty values for the crimes should be added to the outlaw's gold value.
However, I did find on the Outlaw Generation Table that the Outlaw Event Card should show the first profile in the tables for the Outlaw on that card and that the gold value for that outlaw is 150. Add to this fact that I finally read nearly everything and twice read the section which states that you use one of the custom event cards (a blank to be filled in) to create the Outlaw Event Card.
With all this in mind, I think we can assume that each newly-generated outlaw has a base value of 150 gold and then add on all the bounty gold values for all their crimes. If this seems not to work (as in not enough base value), I think we would only need to multiply the base 150 gold by either the Bounty Hunter's BL (1, 2, 3 .... up to 10) or his title level (1, 2, 3 or 4) and then add the bounty for the crimes as well.
Now, I still need to determine whether the rules state that the base gold value of the Outlaw is to be included in the bounty or whether the Bounty Hunter may get the base value immediately upon defeating the Outlaw.
Anyway, I think I am getting near the completion of figuring all this out. 
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Bounty Hunter Reputation related to Outlaws
If you lose the Outlaw while trying to "Bring him in alive", you will lose 1D3 reputation points. If I were playing the Bounty Hunter, I think I would just kill all the outlaws which have the "Dead or Alive" condition attached -- at least early in the Bounty Hunter's career.
The 1000 bounty (per Battle Level) earned translates into 1 point of reputation. This just means that we need to keep track of the total amount of bounty earned for which the Bounty hunter has not yet gained reputation.
For instance, say a BL 1 Bounty Hunter has obtained 2500 gold from bounties. He would then have received 2 reputation points and have 500 toward his next reputation point. But, he keeps the actual gold and/or spends it as he pleases.
example 2: Say the same Bounty Hunter in the above example trains to BL 2 (costing 2000 gold). He still has 500 bounty earned (to his credit for the next reputation point). However, he now must have earned 2000 gold in bounty in order to gain another point of reputation. So, his 500 must have another 1500 bounty added to it to get his next point of reputation.
I am adding a line to the Bounty Hunter's characteristics in his info topic. It will show the total bounty earned for his entire career and the current balance toward gaining the next point of reputation.
Remember that this information is only for the purpose to adding more reputation to the Bounty Hunter. The actual gold gained from bounties will be added to the Bounty Hunter's real gold and spent (or lost) as usual.
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Re: Chat and Orders
scarr rolls a 2 cannot escape pinning. Knowing he cant hurt the outlaw he rolls a 5 to hit a bat, 3 for damage roll, kills it, rolls a 5 to hit the outlaw on death blow roll and hits, 4 for damage, so no damage. Did not roll for 2nd attack, as it could only hit outlaw and cannot hurt him. Once again my courageous warrior priest rolls a 1 to hit and probably is inspecting his weapon to see if it is broken or something.
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Re: Chat and Orders
I say we name this adventure The Reunion Tour (to celebrate our reunion as gaming nuts). Though I do not dispute your breadth of knowledge due to more exposure to playing this game, I will continue to add my input because sometimes I have ideas that you may want to use and anyway, I like to try to see other ways to interpret rules and such.
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oh yeah, just so you know, my computer at home is in for repairs, so unless I can perform a miracle (highly unlikely), you will have the weekend without me. Lucky you! 
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Re: Chat and Orders
Oops!  I wasn't trying to discourage you from giving your input. If it wasn't for you, the poor outlaw might be dead by now. lol Mostly I was trying I think to show that the Bounty Hunter should soon be conquered.
It is amazing how much creativity and clarity comes from hearing what others have to say. I have at least two or three warriors in the works that I and another player have wrestled with and rehashed. I think the end result tends to be more balance, more playability and better variety too.
Yeah, that name, The Reunion Tour, sounds fine for me.
I hope your pc gets better soon.
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Re: Chat and Orders
Reminder: If the Warrior Priest gets a 6 to hit, he could potentially kill the Outlaw in one blow because of the extra 1d6 damge from the Warhammer. Total possible damge would be 6+6+3 = 15 Subtracting 9T leaves a total of 6 wounds taken!
This is part of the reason I suggeted the Pit fighter pinning the Outlaw. One good hit with the Pit Flail (6+modified str of 5 = 11) would leave the outlaw with 1 Wound. And, I would make sure that Dar used restraint and not actually attack once the Outlaw suffers any wounds.
The Martial Artist also has +1d6 damage on a 6 to hit plus his special DRT which could itself cause the death of the outlaw (especially the result #12).
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Re: Chat and Orders
OK lets see the monsters attack, computer is running at least for now
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I am running slow though... Perhaps I will get the games updated soon.
EDIT: Here is a picture of a painted Warrior Priest model, recently added to GameBoardGeek.com:
Here's a Pit Fighter model:
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Re: Chat and Orders
See the bats attacked, what about outlaw?
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Re: Chat and Orders
lol... he looks so much like a warrior that I forgot. Of course, he is supposed to attack the Bounty Hunter when possible.
The Outlaw misses Scarr (rolled a 2).
Okay, now we can do the Ring thing.
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Re: Chat and Orders
Warrior Priest rolls to heal Shur only, 3 1 3, heals for 6 wounds.
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Blessing (if desired) - Turn 7 (already)
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Power Phase 3 (roll for Scarr = 2)
Event Phase 2
Note: you do not have to attempt your blessing at the beginning of the turn. I just find it convenient to give a Warrior Priest's player the opportunity to do so at such a time -- especially since the Warrior Priest usually isn't the leader of the party.
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Re: Chat and Orders
Rolled a 4, successfully gave Scarr an extra attack again.
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Shur's roll to hit the bat = 6 (+1d6 on damage roll)
Roll on Damage Results Table = 1,2 = 3 (Lessor Blow = add no str to damage)
Damage roll (with +1d6 for Killing Blow skill) = 6,1 = 7 = easily slain bat. I almost didn't need to roll this, but two 1's would have failed to kill the bat.
Shur fails to break away from the Outlaw (escape pinning roll = 1).
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Re: Chat and Orders
Scarr 5 to hit, 4 for damage, kills bat, death blow, 6 to hit, 3 for damage, kills bat, continues death blow, 3 to hit misses outlaw, cant hurt outlaw anyway, so skipping 2nd attack.
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Re: Chat and Orders
Dar fails to break away from the bat (4 for esc. pin.), then easily kills it with his first fist spike strike (6 to hit, no DD needed).
It appears that Elore is stuck in the corner for now, but I am letting you take his turn just in case you want to take a chance of only wounding the Outlaw.
The following would only apply if Elore rolls a 6 to hit, which causes an extra 1D6 damage. If you want, I will let Elore try to pass an Initiative test to see if he can somewhat check his swing. Just roll 1D6 + Elore's Initiative of 2. It takes 7+ to pass the test. If he does, then I will allow him to roll one 1d3 for the amount of damage to subtract from his total damage, to represent his effort at trying to wound and not kill the Outlaw.
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Re: Chat and Orders
Elore rolls a 3 to hit (misses), well at least its better than a 1, but not by much.
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